Yes, The Children

Yesterday’s post garnered quite a lot of attention.  And it brought out the comment trolls.  Policy is still enforced.

There was a point that I didn’t make yesterday and applies not just to gays and children but society’s view of children in general. 


Children have become a possession instead of the people they actually are.  Children are treated as things to collect.  Like dolls you can dress up, feed, play with them but if they don’t meet adults impossible standards or the adults grow tired of them the children are abused, thrown away, rehomed,  or even killed.  I thought the increase in child abuse reports had to do with better reporting and tracking.  Yes and no.  There is better reporting but also, more parents are hurting their children. 

There has been a shift in how society sees children.  On one level, they have become people worthy of rights and protection.  Overall, though, children are much more likely to be seen and considered possessions, toys, objects to show off to others.  They don’t exist as people with needs and wants of their own. 


So children become pawns, objects in a game.  Especially when the adult considers their rights more important than anybody else’s.  “Gay marriage” places gays’ sexual orientation and acts above the protection of children.  Homosexuals who “marry” and then “have”  children are using those children to play at marriage and family.  Their “gay marriage” and “family” is entirely artificial.  It comes from forcing mismatched pieces together to make something they were not meant to make or go together.

And while it can happen in heterosexual marriages, children are a natural part and result of the marriage.  Yes, the couple may use artificial means to have children (IVF, surrogacy, sperm donors, etc.) but these methods are still wrong and force a children conceived by one of these means to be a possession.  They “create” a child in the lab instead of through the natural means of sexual intercourse.  And most of those artificial methods have a high failure rate and are expensive.


Heterosexual marriage is the best family for children.  They get a mother and father who create them in love and raise them in a stable environment that is protective and nurturing.  The children are people in this family rather than objects of possession. 

Yes, abuse is possible but it is much, much less likely to happen than in any other “family” makeup.  The instant a child loses a parent instability and insecurity sets in.  No matter if the child gains another parent through a parent’s new marriage or the parent stays single or the parent chooses to be in a homosexual relationship, the child loses.  Even if the child has been removed from an abusive home, the child knows that it needs and wants a mother and a father.  Artificial means of procreation tells the child that the adult’s desires are more important than the child’s needs and that the child is like an object bought at the store instead of the child lovingly created through an act of love and unity.

Children know.  They are people, too, and that is a fact that we ignore, deny, and cover up to our own and their peril.  Children, once they figure out that they are supposed to have a mother and father, feel lost and ashamed for not having what they expect.  They feel that it is their fault that they do not have whichever parent is missing from their lives and so determine that they are unimportant and worthless as people.  If they feel they are there just to serve the adults’ selfish needs and wants, they are being abused and their rights to care, love and protection violated.


I think hearing from two gay men on how they view all this is important.  When they stand up for the family, it’s a big deal.

In an interview with the Italian magazine Panorama, designers Domenico Dolce and Stefano Gabbana of Dolce & Gabbana had some contentious things to say about same-sex families.

According to translations, the pair — who dated for 23 years and broke up in 2005 — stated that children born through IVF are “children of chemistry, synthetic children. Uteruses for rent, semen chosen from a catalog.”

“I am gay, I cannot have a child. I guess you cannot have everything in life,” Dolce added. “Life has a natural course, some things cannot be changed. One is the family.”


8 Responses to “Yes, The Children”

  1. 1 amommasview 20 July 2015 at 7:29 PM

    I think it’s tricky to see the right for same sex marriage as an open door to adopt children as well. I think you should see it for what it is: the right to get married. Nothing else. I have beautiful gay friends, living together for over 35 years now. They too said, that they are not meant to be parents, yet they appreciate the right to be able to make their relationship legal and official and in doing so have the same rights as a heterosexual couple has.

    • 2 pacbox 20 July 2015 at 7:54 PM

      The issue I have isn’t so much gays adopting but that other, more nefarious groups can use the legalization of “gay marriage” as a means of support for legalizing their issues. And I know that most gays are not abusers. But there has already been a conference in England about pedophilia where the argument was that it is a normal sexual orientation because 1 in 35 men have a sexual attraction towards children. They want to make it a “normal ” sexual orientation. You and I and most everyone else understand that this is horribly wrong. But there is still that movement to support it as a “normal” orientation and “gay marriage” legalization could be used as an argument in support of legalizing some form of abuse against children.

      My argument is mostly how children have become a commodity rather than people. Most gays truly want to help children, I get that, by giving them a home and love. But these children soon figure out/learn, if they haven’t already, that families are made up of a father and a mother and children. Not two moms or two dads. But there are gays, and straight, that use children as a means of manipulation to demand “rights” and whatnot and have no care for the child.

      Mostly, my concern is the children. And most gays are not the violent, promiscuous haters they are portrayed as by some people. I have a much bigger issue with their violent, vocally abusive straight supporters who shout down anyone who doesn’t agree with their support.

      • 3 amommasview 20 July 2015 at 8:03 PM

        I totally see your point. What I don’t understand though, is the logic of such a group. How could you possibly legalize something abusive? Same sex marriage has nothing to do with forcing someone minor to agree on something definitely not normal. The children should be of concern For everyone. I appreciate your post and this comment and I totally see your point. And yes, I agree with your very last sentence.

      • 4 pacbox 20 July 2015 at 10:06 PM

        It isn’t logical. I don’t see it becoming legal anytime soon but it still is an issue. Most people, even those who are dealing with the disordered sexual attraction to children, see this as wrong. But there are those that see any sexual orientation as okay, regardless if it involves the abuse of another, especially a child. Because it involves sex and sex has become this defining characteristic of who we are. Society has become obsessed with sex.

        I’m not sure where it started, but there is now “belief” (I’m not sure what to call it) that even children are sexual beings and can experience sexual feelings so it is okay and should be encouraged to explore their sexuality at a young age with whomever they want.

        I know here in Oregon, until this year, there was a sexual info seminar that gave out explicit and graphic sexual material to children as young as 11. 11 years old. With the focus on encouraging kids this young to engage in some of these behaviors and sex acts, as long as it doesn’t end in pregnancy. A news investigation got it shut down this year but kids were being exposed to this stuff and even were disgusted and ashamed by it. They didn’t want to know about some of the things they were exposed to. They’re kids, not sex fiends.

        Thanks for your comments. I appreciate that you respectfully responded, even if you may or may not agree with me. I’ve had too many trolls that prefer name calling and abuse.

      • 5 amommasview 20 July 2015 at 10:13 PM

        Oh that’s crazy!!! Shocking where it all seems to head…

      • 6 amommasview 20 July 2015 at 10:15 PM

        I don’t understand trolls. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. The respectful exchange of your opinion can actually be pretty inspiring for both sides. It’s what I’m all about.

      • 7 pacbox 20 July 2015 at 10:21 PM

        Yeah, I don’t get trolls either. I refuse to feed them. I have no problem with disagreeing but do so respectful. People are far more willing to listen if you are calm and can articulate your point of view. Name calling, foaming at the mouth, shouting just shows me that you are emotionally reacting and do not have a well thought out position so I shouldn’t take you seriously at this time.

        The only acceptable trolls are those toy trolls from the 90s that had neon colored hair. At least those let you play with their hair. 🙂

      • 8 amommasview 20 July 2015 at 10:45 PM

        Oh I liked those too 🙂 they were fun!

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